Monday, June 14, 2010

Modesty

Modesty is a tricky subject. It can range anywhere from Amish style to the "as-long-as-your- @$$-isn't-hanging-out-you-are-modest" mentality. There is also the "Duggar" modesty....long skirts and dresses, no sleeveless tops, though sandals and make up are ok. If it were not for Sweetheart (who thinks that is crazy), that is where I would be....and so would Charlotte. However, we are not a "dresses only" household and I do not believe that you have to be in a spiritual sense either. I would have Charlotte "dresses only" for an entirely different reason! It is a personality issue.Let me remind you all that I had never raised a girl. AND....when I was younger I was NOT modest. No, not even close. I wore halter tops and short shorts and my @$$ hung out many a time! When I first got married, Sweetheart and I fought over my wardrobe.....I liked to wear bikini tops and hip huggers and I was a tiny little thing but had a nice bust! Gosh, where did that girl go??? Anytime we would go somewhere, he would have me bend over in front of him and if he could see anything, he would ask me to tell me to change. My clothing caused many arguments. I was 18. I eventually grew up, and once I got saved and changed my friends, I began to dress more appropriately. Not dresses, or even what was considered "modest", but certainly not "R" rated. All that to say, I had no idea how to set a standard....for myself or a girl child!
I am still not dresses "only", but oh how I wish we were. Let me explain. I set a standard for Charlotte years ago. A dear friend, who is also raising an adopted child with attachment issues, once told me, "With these girls we are going to have to go so far to the left in hopes they land in the middle". That is SO true. So I set a standard for Charlotte. No tight jeans. No low cut shirts. No short dresses or skirts. No more skorts (short skirts with shorts underneath). She would wear long shorts, and appropriate shirts. The above outfit is considered well within the standard I set for her. I live by this standard too....actually my standard is capris, no shorts, but that is because I am not comfortable in shorts.....anyway, that was all good. Until last week. I took Charlotte shopping for her birthday. She only had that one pair of shorts that fit and she had lots of capris, and tops, but needed some more shorts. I found NOTHING. Somehow....someway.....it happened so fast, I have no idea how it even happened, we came home with these..... *GASP* I had convinced myself....she is just a little girl after all. ALL the girls wear them. It is no big deal....let her be "normal". Well I don't know if this is normal or not, but my daughter put those shorts on and her entire personality changed! She became very forward with the neighborhood boys....she is already too flirty, but this was a whole new level!! She acted like she was 17 instead of her normal 10 year old behavior (I know she is 13, but she is behind emotionally a few years). She started talking about Droid cell phones (who would she call? She doesn't even use the house phone!) and driving and wanting a specific car.....she decided to tune her radio to a secular station instead of the "regulated" Christian station. It was an instantaneous personality change. Some may see it as a positive....I DO NOT! I know this girl. She is NOT ready for cell phones, the Internet, and secular radio! I even caught her watching MTV....NOT allowed here. Do I believe it is the shorts? I do. Maybe it was all there before, but the clothing "makes" the man is a true statement. There is even a difference in her from wearing a dress like this one,to wearing capris. In the dress she is very lady like and appropriate. She is not inappropriate in the capris, but there is a significant difference. Let me add, that Charlotte LOVES to wear dresses, and prefers them herself....she picked one out for her birthday too, and though she will need to wear a short sleeve shirt under it, she would choose the dress over the shorts any day. So, though I still do not have a CLUE as to how to raise a girl, I do know this....those shorts are gone! Now do you see why I would choose dresses only for our house? Do you find the same with your own daughters, or even with yourself?
Thanks for listening as I sort all this out and try to learn before it is too late!!!


21 comments:

Melzie said...

I love this post :) I'd dress my girls like Laura Ingalls if I had any ;)

Crispy said...

Interesting post Bren. I would have tossed the shorts too. I know nothing about raising a girl, but I do know that some girls (including my beloved niece) need a few lessons in what is appropriate.

Crispy

Anonymous said...

I noticed those on your Birthday post...Clothes send a message...Girls just do not realize the message they send...I love the dresses & skirts and feel much the same as you...While shopping at Kohl's with the Princess, she picked out 4 dresses...2 were age appropriate and 2 were more like party wear plus they just looked cheap and I don't mean money wise...She is not 10 yet...Her Mom and I both voiced our opinion about those two dresses and each bought one of the other two...
I just shake my head at what I see in the Jr department these days.
Mama Bear

Berean Wife said...

Bren,

Very interesting. I have noticed the same things in behavior depending on clothing.

Another thing I've noticed is the way others treat someone depending on how they are dressed. I am treated more respectfully as a lady when wearing a modest, nice dress than ever when wearing Capri’s or jeans. This might have also played into Charlotte's interaction with the neighbor boys. They treated her differently because she dressed differently.

Very wise of you to notice the change so quickly, many parents never make the connection.

Berean Wife

NeeCee said...

My two older girls needed new shorts and I could not find ANY acceptable shorts at the store. We went to the thrift store and found several that met our standard.

When you are trying to raise Godly young ladies, it gets complicated in a sinful world.

Sewing Junkie said...

My Grandaughter is 11 and she wants shorts, but she wants capris or bremudas. Not the short shorts. It seems that the age of discovery is at the age 10-13 years old. They become brave and think they can test the waters. Good luck and if you find a cure for pre-teen years let me know maybe we can patent it into a learn series. Remember kids came without instructions. Chris

copperswife said...

This issue has as many sides as there are facets on a large, brilliant cut diamond! The key is, Bren, to know your own daughter (and yourself) and to let that be your guide. If Charlotte's behavior changes drastically in certain clothing, then by all means eliminate that clothing!

Dresses only can raise all sorts of other problems for young girls. (Now, now, now....I'm not looking to start a debate here in Bren's comments box, so please, if you're dresses-only, don't see this as an argument starter.) I just know, for my own girls, being dresses only (which we were for a few years) caused them much anguish and heart break and exclusion, my oldest daughter especially. I'd not make that choice were I to have it to do over again.

Like I said, you know what works for your family and that's how the bar should be set. We need to not allow others to set the standard for us.

Well written post!

Susan said...

I found your post very interesting, Bren! You may or may not know that I am dresses-only - I don't make a big deal out of it either on my blog or in real life situations. The thing I was pleased to see in your post is that you recognized Charlotte's changed behavior right away and realized the cause of it - and did something about it! So many moms see a problem but ignore it as something that all teen girls go through. I want to encourage you that you CAN raise a modest daughter - whatever your definition of modesty - and train her in the right ways of boy\girl relationships. You go, Mama!

Alesha said...

Fabulous post.
Fabulous comments.
Fabulous Mom!!!

('nuff said!)

Alesha

Winona said...

Bren, I was dresses only for several years. Then this winter I decided there was no point in freezing, so I bought some sweats. This summer I have a few pairs of shorts that I wear around the house. I still put on a skirt when I go out in public. (I just feel more comfortable in public when I am wearing a skirt.) Kevin loves it when I wear a dress/skirt, but he also has no problems with me wearing jeans. Our girls were not allowed to dress provocatively, but they did wear jeans and shorts. I notice our two daughters who have daughters of their own, do not allow them to wear inappropriate clothing. I do think attitudes change for young girls when they put something less modest on. Good for you for seeing this so soon. Glad Charlotte enjoys dresses. Nothing wrong with that. She is a lovely girl. Have a great day. Winona

Mrs. Sew and Sew - Karen said...

Oh my dear Bren...I do not envy you. I have one girl and 2 boys. I think the boys are soooooo much easier. I'm afraid I didn't always chose wisely when it came to dress for my daughter. She wore it all. I did too. She is a beautiful woman now....so we survived! At times I questioned if we would. Hang in there gf! Thinking of you and Charlotte and praying for you both. :0) Karen

Libby said...

Great post Bren! I agree with those who commented to say that "you know your daughter and you can only do what you think is right"
My girl is almost 20. She has always dressed very modestley. Not because of anything that I did. She has always had a large bust. She HATES it and has always dressed to hide it. It has made me sad to see her be so upset with her body, but I guess I would have been more worried if she wanted to show them off!!

btw I think the Duggar girls look adorable!

Anonymous said...

Modesty is a big thing in our house, too, Bren. Samantha, my 6-almost-7-year-old, goes to a school in which modesty isn't even a flicker of thought for most little girls. Even 6 year olds wear halter dresses, skin tight tops, etc. It's really difficult to find appropriate clothing for her, though.

Our standard, which works for my tomboy-ish little girl, is knee-length shorts, skirts with shorts underneath, or capris for when we're out and about. We do have two pairs of "play" shorts that are mid-thigh, but nothing shorter than that. I also don't care for tight t-shirts, etc.

Our goal is to allow our little girl to be a little girl, which isn't the norm in our area.

Niki said...

Great post Bren :)
I was dresses only for many years, I never forced the girls to wear dresses only, they were allowed to wear modest jeans usually with a longer top that fell to about the hips and modest shorts/capris, but they mostly chose dresses/skirts/jumpers for themselves. It was right for that season, as they grew up, we have followed our own convictions and all of us wear dresses as well as slacks, or capris now.

Anyway the point is it was right to wear only dresses for that season in our family. Perhaps it is the right season for Charlotte to do the same? Only you know for sure. Follow your mother's heart.

Hugs
Niki

~katie~ said...

Great post, Bren! I love your honesty and transparency here...so refreshing. I have been doing a series on femininity on the blog (well I'm getting back to it at some point...blogging is sort of on the back burner at the moment), but modesty ranks up there in this series. I, too, changed quite a bit from pre-saved days to post-saved days in terms of modesty. I've always tended toward modesty, but some of my wardrobe especially right outside of high school and early college days left less to the imagination than I'd like to admit. But I'm pretty petite and nothing was ever terribly revealing as there's not all that much to reveal. ;-) Anyway, I'm not dresses only either...this is an area where I have *remained teachable*, but I have not been convicted that wearing pants is sinful for women. In fact, I think some pants are far less sinful than many of the immodest skirts and dresses I've encountered! Anyway, the Lord may change my heart and mind in this regard, and to that I am continually seeking His will on. This too is an area that is very near and dear to me as a woman but also as a mother as I endeavor to raise my own daughter to fear and honor the Lord with every aspect of her life. I will appreciate any insight you have on this matter!! Your blog is always a breath of fresh air to me! I keep you in my prayers!

Blessings,
Katie

~katie~ said...

Oh...just another thing...

Our pastor's wife gave me a book entitled "Raising a Christian Daughter in an MTV World"...I haven't read it yet, but I intend to! I'm sure there are lots of other good books out there too! Just wanted to mention it.

And lastly, I forgot to mention that I, too, feel more ladylike and love wearing modest skirts rather than pants. It's been a slow progression for me but I choose to wear more skirts and dresses. I haven't noticed a huge amount of change in my attitude/behavior from doing so, other than making sure I am cautious about bending over and a short gust of wind! ;-) I think what's most important to me is being modest and ladylike and honoring to the Lord no matter what I am wearing. Ok, nuff said....I didn't mean to ramble on so...it's just this is an area that has been on my mind and heart for quite some time and much of my testimony deals with similar issues. Immodesty can lead to other negative behaviors and attentions which can cascade quickly into other negative things and so on and so forth. I applaud you for being cautious and seeking out the best for your dear Charlotte! She is so blessed to have you as a mama!

Ok, g'night!
Katie

Julie said...

Bren, once again I feel the pain darlin'!
Karly is not so bad as I think we have convinced her of why we believe in modesty. My middle girl waivers some, but my youngest (8) blows my MIND!
It does not help that the teenage girls they look up to at church look more like they are out clubbing then going to church. It is so hard raising them to be ladies in this world. I'm glad you noticed the behavior change right away.
I believe the way we look does affect our attitude.
We are not dresses only though we do have a few in our midst. My girls don't get shorts that are not knee length. I much prefer capris.
One of my girls wantes some skinny jeans and I vetoed those quickly. UG!
It's embarassing what these girls around us are wearing.

Cindy said...

yeah, i know how it is. i have raised 2 girls to adulthood. i can tell you as teens they wore stuff, i would not have approved of. fortunately their schools had strict dress codes and uniforms.
i still disapprove of some of the things my adult girls wear but now it is on them, not me.
it is hard when the girls want to be trendy but trendy is barely anything.
with my daughter doing modeling, i am making sure everything is modest with her.
my anya i have to keep an eye on. she acts the way she dresses too. i think it has a lot to do with mood and the clothing. if anya dresses like a boy she acts like one and vice a versa. alphia is the only girl who doesn't give me a hard time. she loves fashion but hates immodesty.
i did wonder about those shorts i saw charlotte in. then i thought your mother or someone must have given them to her. it was quite a shock! anya wanted a pair then! so they feed off each other! mmm,

julieQ said...

I think she looks precious...modesty to me is in attitude as well as dress, and I am sure she has that "covered". When I was little, I was not allowed to cut my hair, wear jewelry, or jeans...and it was fine, but I am glad I can wear jeans now! I had the longest hair just forever...no more. Yippee! Thank you for such an interesting post.

Integrity Singer said...

Sissy has sexual ideations when she wears inappropriate clothing. I once was not careful enough when a hand-me-down bag entered the house and she pulled out a pair of jeans I thought would be fine until she put the on... WOW. WOW WOW WOW. you would not believe the CRAP about sex that came out of her mouth not 10 seconds after she put them on!!!!!

they got tossed in the trash.

I wear shorts and sleeveless shirts, GA is too gosh darn hot, but I'm still a modest dresser and we have regular discussions about WHY a woman would desire to look "nice" - what's her motivation? I always end those conversations with Sissy verbally acknowledging that a personality and friendships are not related to clothing and that mom only looks "nice" for DAD.

Valerie said...

I loved this post AND the comments. We also are a "dresses only" family...always have been and it really is soooo true how what you wear affects your attitude and the attitude of those around you.....I am glad I am a woman and love being treated like a "lady". There is a book that was written years ago called "Your Clothes Say It For You" written by Elizabeth Rice Handford and she covers the whole issue of modesty in such an informed way and uses scripture to back it up. Definitely worth the read. Thank you for sharing, Bren. :D